The Third Coming - and other Rapture myths

75

By Allan McGregor

Introduction

My Chambers Twentieth Century Dictionary defines Rapture thus:

'a seizing or carrying away: extreme delight: transport: ecstasy: a paroxysm'

It derives from rapere (to seize) - the same Latin root as rapt, which means:

'snatched or carried away: abducted: carried out of this world: transported, enraptured, entranced: wholly engrossed'

And fans of the Jurassic Park film series might be interested to know that it also shares its etymology with raptor.

No wonder, then that most of the Christian Church has chosen this same word to describe that End Time Biblical event prophesied by Jesus: The resurrection and ascension of God’s saints immediately prior to his Second Coming.

Let me say here that I believe in the Second Coming of Christ and in the resurrection and ascension of his saints because that’s what the Bible says will happen. However, what I do not believe in is much of the modern mythology that has been added to the clear teaching of the Holy Bible and swallowed wholesale by a large segment of the Church.

In this article we shall not only consider what the Bible does say on this matter, but also what it does not say. When we do, we shall not only discover from the Bible what those errors are that have crept into a large part of modern theology, but shall also expose the manner in which they have been taught and infiltrated the Church.

We shall also consider why a correct understanding of Rapture theology matters, and what Jesus predicted would be the consequence to believers of its being wrongly taught and understood.

What the Bible says

First of all, the Bible never mentions any Rapture per se - that’s just a convenient epithet theologians have adopted as a shorthand portmanteau expression (derived from a Latin translation) to describe the resurrection and ascension of believers at Christ‘s return, it is not an actual Biblical expression. Nevertheless, since it does describe actual events, we shall retain its use for the same reason - the sake of convenience.

However, as with so many doctrinal errors, the root lies not in the Scriptures, but in the way that they have been interpreted, as the emphasis has gradually shifted away from what the Bible says to what people want to hear. This often involves a distorted emphasis, by which I refer to what occurs when one particular aspect of the Gospel is emphasised at the expense of another.

It’s not that any particular aspect is wrong or that we should ignore it, but that when one facet of the truth is emphasised to the point of isolation, we become imbalanced in our understanding. A surprising example of which today is the Cross.

In a day and age when even unbelievers were a cross or crucifix as a fashion accessory, we certainly hear plenty today about Jesus’ crucifixion and ‘Jesus’ finished work at the Cross’, nor am I suggesting for one moment that what Jesus achieved at the Cross was anything less than fabulously glorious or utterly momentous - because without the Cross we would have no Gospel. It is a pivotal and indispensable part of the Gospel; but it does not stand alone, nor did the early Church imagine that it did.

In Biblical numerology, five is the number of grace and as John 1:17 says:

…the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Notice that! - The law was given but grace came, because Grace is not an abstract, nor is Grace a concept, or an idea, or a doctrine. Grace is a Person - the Lord Jesus Christ. And when Jesus came he did a lot more than just die on a Roman cross. In fact, what we call our Salvation, Jesus achieved by means of five distinct and miraculous acts, the absence of any one of which would render the other four redundant and our Salvation void.

 

The miracles of Salvation

These five miracles were: Jesus’ incarnation, sinless life, crucifixion, resurrection and ascension.

Think about it -

1)  If Jesus had not emptied himself of his divine prerogatives (Philippians 2:7) the rest of the Gospel would have been a non-starter.

2)  If Jesus had not lived a perfect and sinless life he would not have qualified to be our Saviour. (Hebrews 4:15)

3)  If Jesus had not submitted to death on the Cross as our vicarious sacrifice, then his miraculous birth and perfect life would have been academic. (Philippians 2:8)

4)  If Jesus had not been resurrected, then his vicarious sacrifice would have been in vain. (1 Corinthians 15:17)

5)  And, if Jesus had not ascended back to heaven, there would be no Church today. (John 7:39)

In a demonstration of Divine Symmetry, central to those five essential aspects of our Salvation is the Cross. But it does not stand alone. As always, God’s plan was perfect, thorough and meticulous. And notice point number 4, the crucial role of Christ’s Resurrection, mentioned in Paul's First Letter to the Corinthians.

1 Corinthians Chapter 15

In what is sometimes called the Resurrection Chapter, the apostle Paul tells us quite a lot about the early Church’s understanding on the bodily resurrection and ascension of believers at the return of Jesus Christ - especially in verses 42-55,

So also the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption; it is sown in dishonour, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

And so it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living soul," the last Adam was a life-giving Spirit. But not the spiritual first, but the natural; afterward the spiritual. The first man was out of earth, earthy; the second Man was the Lord from Heaven.

Such the earthy man, such also the earthy ones. And such the heavenly Man, such also the heavenly ones. And according as we bore the image of the earthy man, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man. And I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

Behold, I speak a mystery to you; we shall not all fall asleep, but we shall all be changed; in a moment, in a glance of an eye, at the last trumpet. For a trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall all be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. But when this corruptible shall put on incorruption, and when this mortal shall put on immortality, then will take place the word that is written, "Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your victory?"

Now, look closely at a parallel passage in 1 Thessalonians.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

But I would not have you ignorant, brothers, concerning those who are asleep, that you be not grieved, even as others who have no hope.

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will also bring with Him all those who have fallen asleep through Jesus.

For we say this to you by the Word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord shall not go before those who are asleep.

For the Lord himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ shall rise first.

Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And so we shall ever be with the Lord.

Therefore comfort one another with these words.

To coin one of my favorite expressions: If that passage could be any clearer, I don’t see how.

Here, the apostle Paul unequivocally links the resurrection of dead believers and their ascension along with those till living coincides with the Second Coning of the Lord Jesus Christ in his glory.

For the Lord himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ shall rise first.

Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air.

This is essentially the same sequence of events Paul is describing in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52.

Behold, I speak a mystery to you; we shall not all fall asleep, but we shall all be changed; in a moment, in a glance of an eye, at the last trumpet. For a trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall all be changed.

The Link

The problem here for many Christians is this clear sequence revealed in Scripture linking the resurrection and ascension of the saints (the Rapture) to the physical descent of Jesus from heaven (the Second Coming).

Somehow this has been changed to a version of the Rapture where many seem to believe that Jesus comes back invisibly to take up his saints as a distinct prelude to another event called the Great Tribulation which occurs prior to his return to earth to establish his throne in Jerusalem at the beginning of his thousand year rule known as the Millennium.

However, I have one enormous objection to that scenario which is simply this; The Bible makes no mention of Jesus’ Third Coming.

 

Third Coming

If by now your eyes are starting to water as you ask yourself - 'What rubbish is he talking about? I’ve never heard of any Third Coming' - don't worry, you’re not alone. It doesn’t exist - there’s no such thing. But in order to accommodate the flawed chronology of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, a Third Coming becomes a necessary corollary.

And if you think that’s beginning to sound just a wee bitty familiar, you’d be right, because an invisible visitation by Jesus is not a million miles away from a doctrine held by another denomination.

What Jesus said

But where on earth did this invisible return idea stem from? Not from the Bible, that’s for sure. Throughout the New Testament, God’s Word confidently proclaims Jesus’ triumphant return as a spectacularly visible event.

Nor is this, as many suggest, some oblique and insignificant point of abstruse theology. Rather it is a doctrine that so offended the Sanhedrin when Jesus proclaimed it that it led directly to his being sentenced to death for blasphemy in Matthew 26:62-66.

And the high priest stood up and said, "Have you no answer to make? What is it that these men testify against you?" But Jesus remained silent. And the high priest said to him, "I adjure you by the living God, tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God."

Jesus said to him, "You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven."

Then the high priest tore his robes and said, "He has uttered blasphemy. What further witnesses do we need? You have now heard his blasphemy. What is your judgement?" They answered, "He deserves death."

Nor was this the only occasion that Jesus made mention of it. Indeed, he did so many times through out his ministry, of which here are just a couple of examples:

 

Corroboration

But even if, by some wild stretch of the imagination, Jesus’ own testimony were not persuasion enough, there is the Biblical principle of corroboration laid down in Deuteronomy 19:15 and confirmed by Jesus in Matthew 18:16 -

But if he does not hear, take one or two more with you, so that on the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand.

Consider then, the evidence of the angels at Christ’s ascension, in Acts 1:9-11.

And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight.

And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, and said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven."

Clues and cautions

It’s also interesting that, in teaching that his coming in great power and glory not only coincides with the ingathering of his saints and follows the Tribulation, but that Jesus takes the occasion to warn against false against false christs and false prophets who teach otherwise.

But another clincher is Jesus’ statement that we read in Matthew 13, that…

…in those days there will be such tribulation as has not been from the beginning of the creation that God created until now, and never will be.

And if the Lord had not cut short the days, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom he chose, he shortened the days.

And likewise, in...

Mark 13:19-27

For in those days there will be such tribulation as has not been from the beginning of the creation that God created until now, and never will be.

And if the Lord had not cut short the days, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom he chose, he shortened the days.

And then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform signs and wonders, to lead astray, if possible, the elect. But be on guard; I have told you all things beforehand.

"But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.

And then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory.

And then he will send out the angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven.

Matthew 16:27-31

For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

All the essential elements are there:

Jesus comes down from heaven in great glory;

He is accompanied by a host of angels;

He is heralded by a loud trumpet;

And the elect are gathered to him.

But also notice two other indisputable facts that Jesus mentions:

1) …and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

So, it’s a bit of a spectacle which everybody sees when it happens.

And when might that be?

2) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

So, Jesus returns from heaven, visibly, audibly and with great show, at which time he gathers his saints to himself…after the Tribulation.

You might wonder where that leaves any room for the impression that we’re all going to be hoovered up into heaven before the Tribulation. Maybe I’m missing something, but it’s certainly not what Jesus talked about.

 

Who are God’s elect?

Here’s a question for those who doubt my interpretation: Just who are these ‘elect’ that Jesus mentions, about whom God is so concerned that he actually cuts short the Tribulation?

The elect are simply the chosen (those whom God has chosen because they have chosen him). So the answer is simple: the elect are those who are born again, New Covenant Christian believers - whom the Bible also calls the saints.

The widespread but erroneous teaching that the elect who go through the Tribulation are somehow a different category of believer from the rest of the Church (those converted by the 144,000 Jewish evangelists after the Rapture has taken from the earth all those who are already Christians) is rubbish of the first order: Not only is it unbiblical but diametrically contrary to what the Scripture does say.

This spiritual apartheid necessitated by the Pre-Tribulation position is a pragmatic compromise to make the facts fit the theory, but which is anathema to God and contrary to his clear revelation in Ephesians 2:13-16,

But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.

And also Galatians 3:24,

So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

Where did it all come from?

The fact is, the idea that the Church is going to be airlifted out of here before the Tribulation is nonsense, which begs the question - Where did the whole idea come from in the first place?

As a concept, the Pre-Tribulation Rapture theory evolved out a theological mishmash culminating around the late 18th to early 19th Centuries. And I have to say it has sold very well - although, outside of the United States and Great Britain, and those countries most influenced by their religious heritage, it is far from the prevailing view. And what popularity it does enjoy owes more to the fact that it panders to what people choose to believe rather than on any objective standard found in the Bible. It’s so large an area of study there is no room to examine every detail here, and my interest is in expounding what the Bible says rather than allocating precious time and space here to a failed argument. Suffice to say, since you are reading this on the internet, you already have adequate recourse to the resources necessary to check it out for yourself.

 

Other evidence

Nor is there any shortage of other arguments that may be deployed against a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. Several of these are scriptural, and still more arise from the practical evidence of current events.

Just look at the world economy, as well as the every proliferating spectres of war, famine and natural disasters. And also witness the increasing hostility towards Christians and Christianity in previously ‘Christian’ nations, which I‘ll come back to.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-10

And, brothers, we entreat you, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and of our gathering together to him, for you not to be quickly shaken in the mind, nor to be disturbed, neither through a spirit, nor through speech, nor through letter, as through us, as if the Day of Christ has come.

 

Do not let anyone deceive you in any way, because that Day will not come unless first comes the falling away, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, the one opposing and exalting himself over everything being called God, or object of worship, so as for him "to sit in the temple of God" as God, setting forth himself, that he is God.

 

Do you not remember that I told you these things, I yet being with you? And now you know the thing holding back, for him to be revealed in his time. For the mystery of lawlessness already is working, only he is holding back now, until it comes out of the midst. And then the Lawless One will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume by the spirit of His mouth, and will bring to nought by the brightness of his presence.

 

His coming is according to the working of Satan in all power and miraculous signs and lying wonders, and in all deceit of unrighteousness in those being lost, because they did not receive the love of the truth in order for them to be saved.

This scripture is often interpreted as suggesting that the Antichrist is not revealed until the Church is removed from the earth, based on the reference, ‘only he is holding back now, until it comes out of the midst.’

It is argued that this refers to the Holy Spirit who is restraining wickedness meantime during the Church Age, but will one day be taken from this world. This hypothesis is then extrapolated by applying a principle from Hebrews 13:5, where God says "I will never leave you nor forsake you". And since the Holy Spirit dwells in every believer, he cannot leave this world without taking us with him. If he goes, we go - QED.

This is nonsense, and completely ignores the context, as well as the fact the Holy Spirit is God who, as the rest of the passage makes very clear, is not only active throughout, but orchestrating events. The whole argument is a clear case of eisegesis - which is the theological error of reading into Scripture what we want to find, rather than constructing our doctrines according to what we find already there.

Matthew 24:4-13

And Jesus answered and said to them, “Take heed that no man deceive you. For many will come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and will deceive many. And you will hear of wars and rumours of wars. See that you are not troubled, for all these things must occur; but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines and pestilences and earthquakes in different places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Then they will deliver you up to be afflicted and will kill you. And you will be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

And then many will be offended, and will betray one another, and will hate one another. And many false prophets will rise and deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many will become cold. But he who endures to the end, the same shall be kept safe.

 

 

Root problem

Sometimes called the Olivet discourse, parallel accounts of Matthew 24 are also found in Mark 13 and Luke 21. In this passage Jesus delivers one of his sternest warnings regarding the for coming persecution we call the Great Tribulation, about which he shares three very telling insights:

1) Then they will deliver you up to be afflicted and will kill you. And you will be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

2) And then many will be offended, and will betray one another, and will hate one another.

3) And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many will become cold. But he who endures to the end, the same shall be kept safe.

These reveal the root of the problem, which is the clear link between tribulation and offence. The idea that those being afflicted and killed are not Christians is belied by verse13 which says that ‘the love of many will become cold’, where the Greek word for love is agapé, which is only ever used in the New Testament in relation to God or his people.

And why, might you suppose, would ‘many be offended’? - Because they are suffering a persecution they had never been warned to expect. Indeed, they are suffering a tribulation they had been led to believe they would escape.

And I would just mention here another well known passage from the same chapter that is often mistakenly trotted out in support of the Pre-Tribulation position, which at a cursory glance it might appear to do:

 

Matthew 24:36-44

But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left.

Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into.

Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

Look! proponents will say, here are people going about their daily business who just suddenly disappear - surely that’s describing the Rapture.

Not at all. Look again at what Jesus is actually saying and you realise that the Rapture argument turns his meaning upside down. To illustrate why, let’s examine another scripture where Jesus illustrates his point in the same way.

 

John 3:14-16

And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Verse 16 is arguably the most familiar scripture in the Christian New Testament. But notice how Jesus introduces it: It‘s a rabbinical example of a Hebrew parallelism .

…as Moses lifted…so must the Son of Man be lifted…

For God so loved…that he gave…that whoever believes…should not perish…

Even a complete dunce can see what Jesus is doing here - he is illustrating a New Testament truth by drawing an Old Testament parallel. It’s an illustrative technique also often called ‘Type and Shadow’ theology, where a type is an analogous representation of a reality we call an antitype.

In this case the type is found in Numbers 21:5-9.

And the people spoke against God and against Moses, "Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and we loathe this worthless food."

Then Yahweh sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people, so that many people of Israel died.

And the people came to Moses and said, "We have sinned, for we have spoken against Yahweh and against you. Pray to Yahweh, that he take away the serpents from us." So Moses prayed for the people.

And Yahweh said to Moses, "Make a fiery serpent and set it on a pole, and everyone who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live."

So Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on a pole. And if a serpent bit anyone, he would look at the bronze serpent and live.

The Son of man, Jesus explains to Nicodemus in John 3:16, is the antitype of Moses’ bronze serpent. And, just as when Moses lifted up the bronze serpent on a pole and all who had been bitten by the venomous snakes who looked upon it and were saved, so will all those who have been bitten by sin be saved if they believe in Son of Man lifted up on the Cross.

As always, God’s typology is perfect because bronze is the metal Biblically associated with judgement and condemnation. And so it was that God’s condemnation of our sins was laid on Jesus at the Cross for our salvation.

Which brings us back to Matthew 24, where Jesus says:

…and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away…

…so will be the coming of the Son of Man…

…Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left.

In this case the type is of those sinners who were taken by surprise by the Flood and swept away by God‘s judgement, whereas the antitype is of those who are taken away at Jesus’ return. So, Jesus is not talking about some Rapture of the righteous, but of the extinction of the unrighteous.

 

Motivations for distortion

I said earlier that when Jesus warned that many would be offended he probably had in mind many believers who had placed their trust in a false promise that they would escape the Tribulation by being airlifted out at the Rapture. But why would anyone want to make such a false promise?

Think about it. I also mentioned earlier that Pre-Tribulation Rapture theology is part of a paradigm most popular in the United States and Great Britain, as well as those countries most influenced by our religious heritage. Hitherto, our nations have been relatively free societies, standing at the forefront of the defence of the Free World and its democratic values and ideals.

Thus, have many of our religious ideas evolved to mirror our own comfort-oriented worldview. The Lord God of Israel revealed in Scripture has too often been subtly refashioned as a true-blue American or an English gentleman, upon whom we have superimposed our own values - thereby robbing him of his own identity.

We have similarly tended to airbrush out whatever difficult scriptures do not suit our personal preferences and proclivities. But, as I often say, a difficult scripture is seldom one that we find hard to understand: Far more frequently it is one we find hard to accept.

Today there is a great emphasis on churches being ‘Seeker-Friendly’, which has often led to the dilution of unpalatable truths resulting in the presentation of a compromised Gospel. And, to coin a theatrical phrase, church growth has too often degenerated into a matter of ‘Bums on seats’. Too many pastors seem to covet church numbers at the expense of maturity. But Jesus did not command his followers to go out and make converts, but to go out and make disciples, which is something else entirely.

 

How is it done?

I’ve watched and listened carefully to many Pre-Tribulation Rapture teachers over the years and often recognised the same psychological techniques I was taught when I worked in sales.

One of these is called the ‘Power of Agreement’ or ‘Nodding Dog Syndrome’. You simply set up a string of proposals which everyone agrees with, then, when everyone is nodding their heads and agreeing with everything you say, you throw in a questionable but reasonable-sounding point which no-one by that time feels comfortable about questioning or disagreeing with.

This is often reinforced by a particular favourite among many preachers which is to back up all their straight doctrines with solid scriptures cited in context, then introduce their disputable point with either no scriptural backing, or backed only by some tendentious scrap of scripture taken out of its legitimate context. Indeed, another shameful use that this technique is often deployed for is to manipulate the congregation’s giving.

There are other sales techniques and mechanisms that are entirely obvious to the trained eye and the Biblically literate, and God hates them all. And so do I.

I teach grace; I teach tithing; I teach prosperity; but I refuse to compromise the Word of God. If the Bible doesn’t teach it I don’t teach it. And if the Bible does teach it, I teach what the Bible teaches and not what other people say the Bible teaches but I don’t find there. And I am fastidious about backing up what I teach with scripture that others can check for themselves.

And why? - Because James 3:1 says I am answerable for what I teach:

Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness.

And if God says 'Be Warned!' I take that warning seriously.

 

Compromise

Wherever we turn nowadays we seem to find compromise seeping out of the Church’s every pore. Sin is tolerated rather than addressed, and church ministers and elders have become politically compulsive in their efforts to avoid offending anyone with talk of repentance.

Now, don’t get me wrong, I teach God’s grace and I teach God’s grace radically. I do not believe in legalistic heresies such as Judaising or Galatianising, where grace is surrendered to Law and believers are dragged back into bondage. However, I also believe what Paul said in Romans 6:14,

For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

The Bible does not instruct ministers to gratuitously hurt God's people or beat them up with Scripture - although you could be forgiven for thinking that that's exactly what he told some to do.

The Word of God says to build up, strengthen and exhort the flock, to be gentle, and speak the truth in love - but it doesn‘t admonish the ministry not to speak the truth at all. Jesus did not say ‘Beat my sheep’, but ‘Feed them’, so I don’t jump on people or bruise them with condemnation, but neither do I condone any sin they might be involved in. Jesus was a ‘Friend of Sinners’ not a proponent of sin, and Jesus is our example of true ministry. It is perfectly possible to take a strong line on sin and still be compassionate to the one trapped in its grasp - or to coin an old phrase: to love the sinner and hate the sin.

Repentance

Repentance is an often overlooked essential aspect of Salvation and the Gospel message today, but the New Testament Greek word for repentance (metanoia) does not connote a change of one’s outward actions alone, but a change of mind, because we only truly conform outwardly when we first transform inwardly. Or, as the old axiom goes:

A man persuaded ‘gainst his will

Is of the same opinion still.

Nor is there any shortage of other arguments that may be deployed against a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. Several of these are scriptural, and still more rest on the practical evidence of current events.

Just look at the world economy, as well as the ever proliferating spectres of war, famine, disease and natural disasters. And also witness the increasing hostility towards Christians and Christianity in previously ‘Christian’ nations, which I‘ll come back to.

Tolerance

In too many churches today love has been misidentified as tolerance of just about any sin or error to the point where we consider how people feel or what they think to be more important than what the Word of God says. There’s a time and place when correction should be meted out, albeit gently - unless it is ignored or rejected.

Nor do I subscribe to gratuitous severity, because few people are likely to take kindly to being corrected by someone who has not first taken the trouble to show themselves kindly towards them - which God calls relationship.

But nowadays it seems as if correction is no longer fashionable at all - and besides, we don’t want to alienate good tithers, do we?

If it feels good do it. If it sounds good believe it. And if mentioning sin upsets anybody, keep quiet about it. Thus has so much error today entered the Church from where it has always come:

2 Timothy 4:3-4

For a time will be when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own lusts, they will heap up to themselves teachers tickling the ear; and they will turn away the ear from the truth and will be turned aside to myths.

 

 

The truth

Which of these might you suppose will sound more attractive to most of us? -

Hard times are a-coming and you will be persecuted, but God will strengthen you and protect you, and see you through your trial.

or

Hard times are a-coming, but you needn’t worry because God will airlift you out before it happens and you’ll never have to face any testing.

Our modern Western society is fundamentally pleasure-seeking and risk-averse, and those proclivities have infiltrated and influenced the Church more than many realise, to where church-goers are taught what they want to hear rather than be confronted with a truth they don‘t like. And the reason so many churches now teach and are taught a Pre-Tribulation Rapture is because most Western Christians have it so easy - and want to keep it that way. But the same cannot be said worldwide.

Hitherto it has been easy for a very long time in Britain and America and the West to be a Christian - although that situation is changing at an ever-increasing pace.

When was the last time the police came into your church, arrested the pastor and poured molten lead down his throat?

 

Never? - Did it occur to you that that’s because your church is not in North Korea?

 

 

When was the last time a new covert in your church was beheaded by their own father?

 

Never? - Did it occur to you that that’s because your church is not in Pakistan?

 

 

When was the last time rioting locals burnt your church down and indiscriminately murdered the members?

 

 

Not lately? - Did it occur to you that that’s because your church is not in the Sudan, India or Indonesia?

 

Corrie ten Boom

Corrie ten Boom died in 1983 but is still remembered by millions as a woman of the highest courage and integrity who survived the Holocaust which killed the rest of her family in Hitler’s death camps after they were arrested for harbouring Jews in occupied Holland during World War 2.

Corrie’s family were devout and loving evangelical Christians who took their faith so seriously that they refused to compromise to the point of death. So Corrie's words carry weight, and of the Pre-Tribulation rapture she wrote the following as part of a letter in 1974:

There are some among us teaching there will be no tribulation, that the Christians will be able to escape all this. These are the false teachers that Jesus was warning us to expect in the latter days. Most of them have little knowledge of what is already going on across the world. I have been in countries where the saints are already suffering terrible persecution.

 

In China, the Christians were told, "Don't worry, before the tribulation comes you will be translated – raptured." Then came a terrible persecution. Millions of Christians were tortured to death. Later I heard a Bishop from China say, sadly,

"We have failed. We should have made the people strong for persecution, rather than telling them Jesus would come first. Tell the people how to be strong in times of persecution, how to stand when the tribulation comes, – to stand and not faint."

I feel I have a divine mandate to go and tell the people of this world that it is possible to be strong in the Lord Jesus Christ. We are in training for the tribulation, but more than sixty percent of the Body of Christ across the world has already entered into the tribulation. There is no way to escape it.

 

We are next…

 

…In America, the churches sing, "Let the congregation escape tribulation", but in China and Africa the tribulation has already arrived. This last year alone more than two hundred thousand Christians were martyred in Africa. Now things like that never get into the newspapers because they cause bad political relations. But I know. I have been there. We need to think about that when we sit down in our nice houses with our nice clothes to eat our steak dinners. Many, many members of the Body of Christ are being tortured to death at this very moment, yet we continue right on as though we are all going to escape the tribulation.

 

Several years ago I was in Africa in a nation where a new government had come into power. The first night I was there some of the Christians were commanded to come to the police station to register. When they arrived they were arrested and that same night they were executed. The next day the same thing happened with other Christians. The third day it was the same. All the Christians in the district were being systematically murdered.

That was 1974. Today, over 200-million Christians are persecuted in more than sixty countries across the globe and estimates of the number of Christians martyred for their faith each year vary around 176,000, with a projected 210,000 martyrs-a-year by 2025, although some admit a true figure is so difficult to assess it could be very much higher.

Conclusion

The Tribulation is not sent by God; it is the manifestation of Satan’s wrath against the Church that many have confused with the Wrath of God that follows it, which is what he pours out on an unrepentant world that is fully surrendered to Satan’s system.

But how many of today’s Western churches have taught their believers ‘to stand and not faint’? I suspect not as many as should have done. Rather, as Jesus solemnly warned his followers two thousand years ago, too many of today’s believers have been prepared to be offended when a Tribulation they had be told never to expect befalls them.

The apostle Paul wrote:

…God has so composed the body, giving greater honour to the part that lacked it, that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another. If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honoured, all rejoice together. Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. (1 Corinthians 12:24b-27)

And in John 13:35 Jesus famously declared,

By this all shall know that you are my disciples, if you have love toward one another.

Maybe that’s no longer true, and our modern Western churches have selfishly outgrown such old fashioned sentiments to where we have redefined tribulation to encompass ‘only that which directly affects me’.

Maybe the time has come for many to contemplate a major rewrite of Jesus’ words to something more consistent with their Pre-Tribulation Rapture theology. How about -

By this all shall know that you are my disciples, if you say to your hurting brother, “I'm all right Jack!”

All the signs are that our Western Churches have grown more selfish, which is what the Tribulation will be able to feed upon. Because the Pre-Tribulation Rapture theory is an inherently selfish doctrine, while one major reason why believers are persecuted in growing numbers is the indifference of other believers who fail to pray for them.

So, just maybe there’s another way of escape, a way that is so eloquently encapsulated in 2 Chronicles 7:14 -

If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Comments

Twenty One Days 23 months ago

Allen, this is an interesting article. however I cannot completely agree with this. "believe in the Second Coming of Christ and in the resurrection and ascension of his saints because that’s what the Bible says will happen". According to the Revelation letter, that event has already transpired. The text I found was astounding and made me alter my entire perspective f the purpose of salvation.

The passage, we know, makes no mention of a rapture or great tribulation to come upon us.

Rev 19 -it shows the victory of Y`shua at the cross and his Resurrection. "Salvation has come" is the quote. Before this, there was no salvation. In the next paragraph, or Rev 20.1 it specifically states the following: "this is the first resurrection". John is describing the resurrection of Y`shua and the 144,000 who were seen throughout Judea and Jerusalem. It goes on to state that death and hell were thrown into the fire. This is also mentioned when Y`shua says he has taken the power of death and hell from satan.

The final amazing point is seen just after in Rev 21. It says the kingdom of heaven is now the dwelling place of men. The Father himself will dwell in them, who believe. That no impure thing would enter them. This says the Spirit will dwell in us and literally form a barrier of purity, righteousness in and around us, because He himself lives in us.

I know this is a choppy, short reply, but it is an interesting view. Thank you for letting me comment and many blessings. -James.

fred allen profile image

fred allen Level 1 Commenter 23 months ago

I could not tear myself away from this article. You are an amazing expounder of truth! First God used you to shed light in my life by directing me to your hub on the unpardonable sin. Now as I went to your page to click and send that hub to a brother who is struggling to believe he hasn't committed the unpardonable sin, I found this. The facts you have shared in this writing cause me to re evaluate where I am in my faith. Knowing that so many are proving their faith and love for God with their very lives is causing me to constructively question the extent I am prepared to go. Torture? Hot lead? All the evil man can do to man? would I show up for a gathering of the saints in countries where it could cost me my life? WOW! This is the most powerful article I have ever read. I must have an undivided heart to sustain me through such horror. I thank you for exposing my complacency and making me see the depth of commitment that is required of a child of the KING!

Dave Mathews profile image

Dave Mathews Level 7 Commenter 22 months ago

Brother fred allen, I am one of those who believe, or believed, that there will come a day when Jesus and His angels will return and gather up those saints born again in Christ Jesus, and they will be lifted up to Him, but I also understood,or atleast thought I did, that those who remained, would face 7 years of Tribulation and suffering from the hands of satan and the anti-christ and the false prophet, and then after the seven years of battle, those humans who still remained, and who finally chose to accept Jesus as saviour and redeemer would then be gathered up.

Fred I'm totally confused now. I am a Christian, born again through Christ Jesus, yet I am also a sinner, so where do I stand.

By my faith and my love for God as His child and servant, I believe I am saved from damnation to the lake of fire. This I know to be true.

By Faith I know that if I died tomorrow, I would immediately be with and see Jesus in Heaven, for by my faith I am cleansed and by my belief in Jesus and His death, and resurrection I am Justified and made Holy, but if I was to remain until Jesus returns, where would I stand, in His eyes?

Brother Dave.

fred allen profile image

fred allen Level 1 Commenter 22 months ago

Brother Dave, You pose some very stirring questions that I myself have struggled with. When I read this article I was drawn back in time to when my faith in Christ was first born. I remember the feeling that I had. The conviction, the sense of purpose. The belief that I would go anywhere, do anything, risk everything for that relationship. Just as time heals all wounds, it can also dry passion. When I read this it caused me to re-evaluate the depth of my passion. If I truly belong to Him, why am I no longer certain I would face any and all danger to prove the sincerity of my love for Him? God is merciful and gracious and that,I believe is the reason why He shows us the truth about ourselves. He not only exposes the weakness, He also brings healing and strength. I want to be all He calls me to be. I want to have courage to face whatever comes my way, knowing that I am never alone. What other believers face throughout the world, they face knowing the same truth. When they are tortured or killed, does it catch God by suuprise? There is a great battle raging in the Heavenlies. It is being fought over the hearts of man. If God chooses to bring glory to Himself through the death of His saints, it is glorious indeed. What more powerful statement to the world than a child of God laying down his life for his Father King. I know that God did not save me simply to keep me from the pit of Hell. He saved me so that I could enjoy His presence and so that I could live life in communion with Him. The one who went all the way for me. If I am not willing to do the same for Him, it would be a little like a husband not willing to take a bullet for his wife after the wife proved that she would for him. I use that analogy because I am a husband, not because I consider God to be my wife. Life and death are the proving grounds of our faith. Not some prayer we once recited. I have always been fascinated by the stories of the martyrs. I have envied their faith and courage. I believe Jesus command that we take up our cross is a call to be willing to go all the way, even unto death. I believe that we are supposed to examine ourselves to expose where we truly stand in this matter. If we are not willing, we need to be. If the truth is we are not willing, God help me to be willing. I will not rest until I'm sure. Let the truth about me be exposed. I don't want to believe a lie just so I can have a false sense of comfort. The truth hurt the day I was saved. I wept bitter tears over my sinfulness exposed. I have dry eyes as I consider my half hearted love for God. God help me. The great news is I know He will. He is doing so right now as I write this. He is faithful to me. He knows I cannot do this alone. He will make His presence so real and His promise so clear and the glory of a life completely given to Him so magnificent that I will surrender all. I'm sure of it. Until then I won't move from the ugly truth. I will stand here in this quicksand reacing toward Heaven knowing my Father won't let me sink. I feel His grip now as I unclothe from the false belief that all is well. It is a glorious thing to tell the truth. To welcome the reality instead of giving falsehood a home. Today is the day of salvation, not yesterday. Today as we hear His voice let us not harden our hearts. You are precious in His sight. He delights in you! Trust His voice in this matter. He will strengthen you as you pour out to him from an honest heart.

Dave Mathews profile image

Dave Mathews Level 7 Commenter 22 months ago

Allan my brother, I love you and I love what you have said both in your Hub as well as your response to my comment.

Allen as I was reading through your reply to my comment, Holy Spirit sort of popped into my mind with a statement of fact, I thought I should pass on to you.

We are all created in spirit form in the heavens, then sent as spirit in human form to live amongst our brothers and sisters, to learn about God and Jesus,right and wrong, and to serve God while here.

If this is true, then physical death is inevitable for all of us, it then comes down to whether or not as spirit we have accepted and agreed that Jesus is The Christ, King, Redeemer. If we agree, our spirit will rise to heaven to be with God, if we disagree, then our destination is "The Lake of Fire".

Personally I choose to accept Jesus. He told us that the path to Heaven is very narrow, meaning Him and only Him. No Contest, I'll take the narrow path.

Brother Dave.

fred allen profile image

fred allen Level 1 Commenter 22 months ago

He also warned that "many will come to me in that day and say "Lord Lord"...And He will say "Away from me I never knew you"

Allan McGregor profile image

Allan McGregor Hub Author 22 months ago

Thank you Twenty One Days.

Revelation is an example of Hebrew Apocalyptic literature, and is not intended as an exhaustive source of eschatology, because God has also provided us with the foregoing 65 books, which some of your theories seem to ignore.

For example, 1 Corinthians 15:19-28...

'If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied. But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.

Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.

The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For "God has put all things in subjection under his feet." But when it says, "all things are put in subjection," it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him.

When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.'

Jesus was indeed resurrected, but shortly afterwards he ascended to heaven when two angels predicted he would again return in the same way he had left - visibly from the sky. (Acts 1:11)

Don't put all your eggs in one basket by relying solely on the singular context of Revelation to the exclusion of all other scripture.

Allan McGregor profile image

Allan McGregor Hub Author 22 months ago

Thanks fred allen.

I write the truth from God's Word without speculating on the state of other men's hearts.

We may be called on to die for our faith, or God may protect us through it as he protected Israel in Goshen during the plagues of Egypt. Either way, God will grace us with the wherewithal to endure.

What I caution against is the unwarranted presumption that the Western Church will face no persecution because we 'will be taken out of here'.

I believe God can and will hide and protect many, but that that will be here on earth until Jesus returns.

As Corrie ten Boom compellingly pointed out, teaching the 'Escape Gospel' did not spare millions of Chinese and other brothers and sisters from horrible tribulation, so what makes us think we are more special to God than they were?

I maintain that 'many will be offended' when they find themselves still here when persecution comes and they realise they were 'sold a pup'.

And, as I explain in my latest hub on Samson, a third of the Tribulation persecution may actually come from within the Church.

Allan McGregor profile image

Allan McGregor Hub Author 22 months ago

Dave Matthews, you're not confused on the central issues that matter. You are saved and will spend eternity with Christ.

There are two issues many confuse about the End Times - the Great Tribulation and the Wrath of God.

The Tribulation is Satan's wrath against the Church - much of which will come from within the Church itself.

The Wrath of God is against Satan and will be much worse, but will not be directed against the saints, in the same way that God 'made a distinction between the righteous and the unrighteous' when he protected Israel in Goshen during the last seven of the ten plagues poured out against Egypt.

As I see it there is a complacent assumption that the Western Church will suffer no tribulation. In fact the Church globally is already suffering sever tribulation.

'Great Tribulation' refers more to extent than severity, in the same way that Great Britain is so called to distinguish it from 'Britanny' which was once called 'Little Britain'.

However, you are not a 'sinner' but a 'saint', because your status before God is based on Christ's righteousness imputed to you by grace through your faith in Jesus. The fact that you sin does not make you a sinner any more than any of the good works you did before you were saved could make you righteous.

A 'sinner' is a specific term applicable to someone who is not yet saved. That salvation cannot be 'lost' because it is founded on Jesus' righteousness and not yours. It can however, be rejected by anyone who, through habitual unrepented sinning, allows their heart to harden to where they lose their faith.

Allan McGregor profile image

Allan McGregor Hub Author 22 months ago

fred allen - I read through your later post and like your heart, but don't become fatalistic either. Remember that I say that God can and will save his saints 'through' the Great Tribulation.

God will grace those for whom he plans martydom - like most of the New Testament apostles. They won't need to go looking for it, it will come.

Seeking martyrdom can end in a 9-11 complex, which is not of God.

What I'm warning against is the opposite, which is complacency...the 'I'm all right Jack syndrome', or 'I'm out of here and to hell with you'. Such a selfish view is not Godly or Christlike when you consider that Paul actually agonised that he would give up his own salvation if it would save his people. (Romans 9:3)

God is not looking for people who will die for him but who have a heart that would be willing to die for their brother if need be. Some he will grace to do so, others he will protect - perhaps through the ones he allows to die.

Remember Abraham. When he was willing to kill his precious beloved son simply because he believed God knew what he was doing, God stayed his hand at the last moment, because God was not looking for Isaac's life, he was looking for Abraham's heart.

Allan McGregor profile image

Allan McGregor Hub Author 22 months ago

Dave Matthews - I've been catching up on your replies also, and I like the cut of your jib but the Bible is silent on the issue of spiritual pre-existance, so I don't speculate on it. What I do know is what the Bible teaches which is that we have a mortal beginning and and end. Also, that God formed man out of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils when he became a living soul.

When we became born again, we became a new creation in Christ, but our bodies have not been saved yet. They will die or Jesus will return and they will be transformed in the twinkling of an eye (1 Corinthians 15 & 1 Thessalonians 4). Then, we will have new immortal bodies to match our born again spirits - perfect once again.

In the meantime, Ephesians 1:13-14 promises:

'In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.'

This is speaking of the final phase of our salvation which began when we were born again - the resurrection of our incorruptible body, in the same way that Jesus was resurrected from the tomb.

There is teaching that is nowhere found in Scripture and although well-meaning is quite false:

'I am a spirit, I have a soul, and I live in a body'.

Not so: According to Scripture what makes a human being a human being is that he IS a spirit, he IS a soul, and he IS a body. There is nothing intrinsically inferior about the body, only about the fallen nature. My 'fallen' body is inferior to my resurrected spirit, not because it is a body but because it is not resurrected.

When Jesus ascended to heaven, Scotty didn't 'beam him up', he rose corporially to show us how he will return, and how he will live here until his Father descends to joins us, when he will hand everything over to him (1 Corinthians 15:24 & 28).

You may notice that unlike many who bandy about imaginative scenarios, I am actually able to back what I say with relevant scriptures. I don't teach what the Bible doesn't say, but I do teach a lot of the Bible that most people seem never to have noticed.

And, incidentally, the reason we muct decide to be saved here on earth is because here on earth is where human beings have the authority to decide. Once our spirit and soul separate from our mortal body at death we can make no more decisions here on earth where they count. Because it is here on earth (albeit a refashioned New Earth) that mankind is destined to spend eternity with God the Father and Jesus Christ (Revelation chapter 21 and 1 Corinthians chapter 15).

Allan McGregor profile image

Allan McGregor Hub Author 22 months ago

Dave Matthews - A week ago I wrote:

'...the Bible is silent on the issue of spiritual pre-existence, so I don't speculate on it'.

However, I have since given this assertion some more thought and would modify it by saying that the Bible DOES address this point, albeit briefly and somewhat indirectly:

To Nicodemus in John 3:11-13, Jesus says:

“Truly, truly, I say to you, that which we know, we speak; and that which we have seen, we testify. And you do not receive our testimony. If I tell you earthly things, and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? And no one has gone up into heaven, except he having come down out of heaven, the Son of Man who is in heaven.”

And, speaking in a longer discourse on Jesus as our High Priest, Hebrews 7:1-12 says:

‘For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, the one meeting Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessing him; to whom also Abraham divided a tenth from all (first being interpreted, king of righteousness; and then also king of Salem, which is, king of peace, without father, without mother, without genealogy, nor beginning of days, nor having end of life, but having been made like the Son of God, he remains a priest in perpetuity).

Now behold how great this one was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils; and indeed those of the sons of Levi receiving the priesthood have a command to tithe the people according to Law, (that is, from their brothers, though coming forth out of Abraham's loins), but he not counting his genealogy from them has tithed Abraham, and has blessed the one having the promises.

But without contradiction, the lesser is blessed by the better. And here dying men indeed receive tithes, but there it having been witnessed that he lives; and as a word to say, through Abraham Levi also, the one receiving tithes, has been tithed. For he was yet in his father's loins when Melchizedek met him.

Truly, then, if perfection was through the Levitical priestly office (for the people had been given Law under it), why yet was there need for another priest to arise according to the order of Melchizedek and not to be called according to the order of Aaron? For the priestly office having been changed, of necessity a change of law also occurs. For the One of whom these things are said has partaken of another tribe, from which no one has given devotion at the altar. For it is clear that our Lord has risen out of Judah, as to which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.’

Where the idea of spiritual pre-existence does appear in religious writing is not in the Christian scriptures, but in the teachings of the Mormon Church which, whether you are aware of it or not, are generally contradictory to the Judaeo-Christian Bible:

‘In the pre-mortal life, Jesus, Lucifer, and all of us were the spirit children of God and His wives’. (Gospel Through the Ages pp 15, 93-99; Journal of Discourses Vol XI, p 122)

fred allen profile image

fred allen Level 1 Commenter 22 months ago

While I draw much comfort from your words as I believe them to be true, I feel the taking up of ones cross to mean that we be willing to sacrifice all for Him. I felt it natural when I was younger. Now as I have grown older, I begin to question if I am still that willing and it concerns me. I can't tell you how much I appreciate your perspective. You have become a trusted adviser and I feel comfortable sharing with you.

Allan McGregor profile image

Allan McGregor Hub Author 21 months ago

Thanks Fred.

I agree, it means sacrifice, not just wee bits and pieces here and there but of our very self...to identify with Christ's death 'in toto'. To die to our ego.

Sigmund Freud was not a believer but even he recognised the three-part dynamic of our personality - the 'ego', the 'id' and the 'super-ego', which the Bible terms more accurately as the 'soul', the 'spirit' and the 'body', in the same order. In Greek 'ego' means 'I', while 'id' means 'self' - and is the word we derive 'idiot' from.

This sense of being in charge of our own life has to be surrendered, which means it has to die. Jesus said as much in Mark 8:35-36,

'For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?'

Far from being a burden, however, surrender to God in this way is to enter into newness of life and true freedom. That's such a paradox that in Acts 17:5-7, the Thessalonians said something quite striking about a guy we don't hear too much about in church, called Jason:

'But the Jews were jealous, and taking some wicked men of the rabble, they formed a mob, set the city in an uproar, and attacked the house of Jason, seeking to bring them out to the crowd. And when they could not find them, they dragged Jason and some of the brothers before the city authorities, shouting, "These men who have turned the world upside down have come here also, and Jason has received them, and they are all acting against the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, Jesus."'

'These men who have turned the world upside down', the early Christians were called. If people are not saying that about us now, then we're not doing it right.

drbillfannin profile image

drbillfannin Level 1 Commenter 20 months ago

Precisely what I have been preaching for years. It's about impossible to get any Baptist to give up the rapture idea. I have always known we all will suffer through the tribulation. The rapture just isn't in the Bible like some churches would have us believe.

Marion 20 months ago

I am so glad you wrote this Allan

"Not so: According to Scripture what makes a human being a human being is that he IS a spirit, he IS a soul, and he IS a body. There is nothing intrinsically inferior about the body, only about the fallen nature. My 'fallen' body is inferior to my resurrected spirit, not because it is a body but because it is not resurrected.

When Jesus ascended to heaven, Scotty didn't 'beam him up', he rose corporially to show us how he will return,.."

because the fact that Jesus rose AND ascended STILL fully human [as well as Divine], is often underestimated in the present day Church.

As you know the gnostics in the early centuries [and now] speculated he was only spirit when He rose etc etc etc

now, one day, I would love a discussion on where the fully human Jesus 'rose' to ;)

[as I do not believe in an ethereal spirit-world 'heaven']

This may open a can of worms about The Kingdom and the nature of time and eternity. :)

anyway, sorry, I am distracting from your excellent points in the opening article - and I fully understand why there was the need for it :( and what you mean.

by the way, when I became an adult believer in 1982 my 'Brethren elder' dad carefully explained to me how it's a 2-stage 2nd coming - diagrams and all :) [so they wouldn't admit to believing in 3 comings]

However, my lovely gracious dad, who gave me such a good foundation in the Lord to build on later, has 'known as he is known' since 1997.

MountainPreacher 11 months ago

Actually, there are three comings of Christ found in the scriptures.

1. The birth of Christ.

2. At the resurrection.

3. When Jesus returns with the saints to execute vengeance as stated in Jude.

Allan McGregor profile image

Allan McGregor Hub Author 10 months ago

Thank you MountainPreacher, but we read the Bible differently.

After Jesus' return he doesn't leave again, but remains on earth to riegn and rule for a thousand years.

After that, Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 15:24, he hands it all over to his Father who descends in person from heaven to take up residence here. But it Christ who sits on the Great White Throne to pronounce final judgement. And he doesn't need to leave before doing that.

Judah's Daughter profile image

Judah's Daughter Level 6 Commenter 10 months ago

Hi Allan, I just saw your comment in the feed (haven't read the hub yet), but you stated here, "After that, Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 15:24, he hands it all over to his Father who descends in person from heaven to take up residence here."

Where do you see God returning in person from heaven after the thousand years are over (and obviously after the Great White Throne judgment) ~ you mean when the New Jerusalem descends, God's dwelling place? I've read Rev 20:7 on and I don't know where you get this. God is invisible Spirit and His person is Jesus Christ (His image). Since Christ sits on the Great White Throne, notice His words in Rev 21:5-7: "He who was seated on the throne said, 'I am making everything new!' Then He said, 'Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.' 6 He said to me: 'It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son."

I will get back to read the hub soon, but this theology, I've never heard before...

Allan McGregor profile image

Allan McGregor Hub Author 10 months ago

Thank you Judah's Daughter.

This is too big a subject to cover in a brief comment, but another scripture that alludes to it apart from 1 Corinthians 15:24, is Rev 22:3-6...

'No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him.

They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. And night will be no more. They will need no light of lamp or sun, for the Lord God will be their light, and they will reign forever and ever.

And he said to me, "These words are trustworthy and true. And the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants what must soon take place."'

Two entities are distinctly mentioned here, The Lord God and the Lamb, both of whom dwell with me.

Of course this is after the final judgement when the resurrected saints have been resurrected in the transformed, immortal and incoruptible bodies, and so cannot be destroyed by the ferevent heat of the fire with which God cleanses the whole earth.

So, this is not talking about frail mortal flesh as we are now, but as resurrected saints who are just like Christ himself, who you remember was able to materialise and disappear at will in his post resurrection state.

Likewise, we are reminded in 1 John 3:2...

'Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.'

We're not finished yet.

Judah's Daughter profile image

Judah's Daughter Level 6 Commenter 10 months ago

Well, would you consider that the Greek word used for 'and' is 'kai', which can mean 'even'. If God is called "God and Redeemer", "God and Savior", then consistently, "God and [the] Lamb" would fit. Why I say this is the singular 'his' and 'him' in the remainder of the verse: "and his servants will worship him. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads." It can get to be a complicated discussion, but at least I wanted to share that I hold to God, the Holy Spirit (invisible) being one 'person' in Jesus Christ. Stay blessed and thank you for tolerating the discussion.

Allan McGregor profile image

Allan McGregor Hub Author 10 months ago

Yes, I had considered that interpretation, but it doesn't fit here as John is consistent in his usage which matches Jesus' own (and Jesus is revealing this to John) which is to refer to Jesus as distinct from the Father by referring to him as 'God'. Likewise, Jesus would refer to his Father as God in the second and first person, but as Father when addressing him directly in the first person. And even in Revelation, Jesus only refers to himself as God in the first person... "Alpha and Omega", "the First and the Last", "Almighty God", etc.

Scripture is a bit of a jigsaw, with a lot of truth distributed throughout the whole counsel of the word... Here a little, there a little... And Paul is quite clear that at the end, Jesus effectively hands everything over to his Father, and Jesus said that when he left to be with his Father he would send us another Parakletos, the Holy Spirit, where the Greek for other is 'allos' - 'another of the same kind'.

The idea that God reveals himself in three different manifestations of the same person, rather as three distinct personalities, is called modalism, a belief held by some teachers such as T. D. Jakes. But the doctrine of the Trinity was certainly well enough established as to be vehemently denied in by Muham in the Koran, whose doctrine John calls 'Antichrist'.

Allan McGregor profile image

Allan McGregor Hub Author 10 months ago

Apologies for the typo. I am visiting my son's family and using an iPad I am not used to and find hard to edit. And when I went to correct 'Muham' to 'Muhammmad' the battery went flat and left me high and dry.

Timlove profile image

Timlove Level 1 Commenter 7 months ago

The church today often touts how blessed we are to live in a country were there is freedom of religion and no persecution of the church however when you look at what our freedom to worship has led our worship to become im not convinced it is a blessing. My pastor is a die hard rapture teacher. We had a conversation not long ago and he told me he saw a need in the church to get people to desire holiness.Judging by the comments from this hub it seems if the truth of the gospel as you laid it out here were preached we would not have a lack of desire for holiness in our midst.

slcockerham profile image

slcockerham Level 1 Commenter 6 days ago

Hey Mr. Allen, Glad to see that I'm not the only one that acts like the Bereans and checks what's being preached to see if it actually lines up with what scripture says. Thanks for the good Bible commentary, I for one enjoyed it. I just wrote today on the Pre-trib. rapture/ is it in scripture. Alot of "Christians" like to have their ears tickled with what sounds better! Hope they aren't shocked with reality before they come to understand the truth! Thanks again Allen, keep preaching the truth!!! God will see us through, as he purifies us in the fires of persecution.

Submit a Comment
Members and Guests

Sign in or sign up and post using a hubpages account.



    • No HTML is allowed in comments, but URLs will be hyperlinked
    • Comments are not for promoting your Hubs or other sites

    Please wait working